My grandfather used to tell of the Hazlett cattle that George Rodanz had in Ontario, Canada. He said that the cow paths, or cattle trails on the Rodanz farm were usually 2 trails side by side with grass growing in between. Seeing the above picture and the distance between the legs on those cattle reminded me of this.
I have read elsewhere of people that do not like the old fashioned short and wide heads of many of the older Hereford cattle citing that these heads caused a lot of calving difficulty. Seeing this picture, I can not help but wonder if many of the calving difficulties of long ago were not more from the breeding of good quality wide cattle on inferior cows that were simply not built internally for this type of calf? If wide cattle of this type were not the normal type of average, then average cattle may not have been able to handle this phenotype, and is one reason that the wider cattle have since disappeared.
Funny you mention that, base width and better heads been on my list of shit I need to improve on for many years now, I'm at a point where all I look for is to be able to maintain what I have, I need a shot of those 1930's genetics to get me over the hump.
It would be interesting to me to know what the ribeye area was of these cattle.
I was once told that some years ago, there was a bull day event in Britain that was basically a display of bulls of all beef breeds, and its intent was for dairymen to come and look in order to help make decisions of which breeds of beef cattle would be the most profitable to breed their dairy cows to. Much of the UK market for breeding bulls in the beef industry comes from the dairy industry, and most of the usual beef breeds were represented at the show, including both the MUSH Hereford and the Traditional Hereford.
What made this event interesting was the fact that the Belgian Blue section had a technician present who was demonstrating the ultrasound scanning of the ribeye area of the Belgian Blue bull, or bulls that was/were there that day, intended to show that the double muscled breed was superior in ribeye area to all other beef breeds. Somewhere along the line, they got the idea to ultrasound all, or several of the other cattle present, no doubt to prove that the Belgian Blue was indeed superior in this regard.
The end result probably left egg on more than just one face face. Not only did the Belgian Blue lose this impromptu contest, but so did the MUSH, as the winner of the day in having the largest ribeye area was the Traditional Hereford bull that was owned, I am told, by Albany Farms.
Interestingly enough, this bull day event has since been discontinued.
I remember hearing about that! If you look at EBVs for eye muscle areas Traditionals that have been scanned (unfortunately not many) usually score well. (Eg Westwood Postman)
I have been collecting a few pictures for a few months for this thread and have been sorting the "Historical" from the merely hysterical.
This bull above was bred by Jesse Engle from Missouri and was exported to W.A. Crawford-Frost who lived at Nanton, Alberta, Canada. This Prince Domino son was born on 5 July 1924, and much of the Prince Domino breeding in Canada traces back through the 9th, sometimes multiple times. His AHA # is 1425000, and I believe that Otto Fulscher used the bull some before he was sent to Canada. He is written as a 2400lb. bull at pasture turn out time.
Last Edit: Feb 10, 2019 23:31:27 GMT -6 by woodford
Silver Standard is probably why the name " Silver" has been so popular for so long. Even into the mid-1970's many of the best cattle in Canada still showed Silver Standard on a close pedigree. At maturity, he was a 2600lb. bull, and was sold as a 10 year old aged bull in Calgary at 2400lbs. Not tall by the standards of 1975, Silver Standard showed what thickness of muscle could do for weight. Bulls such as we still talk about today on this forum as being good cattle trace back to him.
Some of these include:
Silver Standard 21U through both parents,
and XTD 6T Rust Tempest 9A ET who traces approximately 27 times to Silver Standard, and over 50 times to Britisher Domino pictured below.
Last Edit: Feb 13, 2019 9:21:03 GMT -6 by woodford
Britisher Domino, the ancestor of the Britisher bloodline Canada and the US, was born in 1933, and is a grandson of Prince Domino 9th (above). The sire side of his pedigree is mostly Anxiety 4th influence breeding, but the dam's pedigree is not only Anxiety 4th, but is also Britisher, Wilton, and Garfield. This also includes the sire of Woodford #500,000. As a four year old, he weighed 2350 lbs. in working condition.
The pictures below are some of the ancestors in Britisher Domino's dam, whose bloodlines were strongly influenced by Giltner Bros. of Kentucky. The pictures and captions below are from their sale's brochure.
Britisher, born 29 April 1897 is the reason for Britisher Domino's name, but represents only 6.25% actual influence in his pedigree.
A son of Acrobat born in 1902. Both bulls are Anxiety 4th breeding on the sire side. (Edit: That is to say, the sire of Acrobat's Beau Donald's dam was also a descendant of Anxiety 4th.)
Last Edit: Feb 11, 2019 19:58:51 GMT -6 by woodford
A few months ago, I had the good fortune to see and to be allowed to scan a few good pictures that may be interesting to others. I saw that this thread has been quiet for a while and figured a few additions might be fun.
The first picture is of the Greenwood, Missouri farm owned and operated by Gudgell and Simpson about 1897. This photo was once published in a book, but the bull Chesterfield was mis-identified, and was corrected after to book had gone to press. The bull on the right and being held by the little kid is Beau Brummel, Registration number 51817. The bull is Don Carlos son by Anxiety 4th #9904 and was born in 1890. The boy must have been pretty proud to hold that bull, but it is a good thing that Beau Brummel was quiet. That kid couldn't have weighed enough to hold a yearling calf, let alone a herd bull if he had taken off.
I think that the original of this scan may be the only one left in existence. It was too large to fit on my scanner and had to be photographed instead of scanned.
The second picture is Lamplighter, number 51834 a paternal half brother to Beau Brummel and was born in 1891. A lot of American Hereford families descended from Beau Brummel and Lamplighter.
In a couple of days or so, I will put up a couple more pictures. There are one or two that are interesting, and I hope that you will enjoy seeing them.
Last Edit: Jan 10, 2020 1:30:19 GMT -6 by woodford
Has anybody got any idea where the 3 photos were taken. My bet is that two cows are the same cow but what intrigues me the most is that they all have solid red ears. I don't think they are Herefords albeit that some of their markings are the same. I can understand why you don't like red necks. And by the way Woodford, I dont think its a water trough try a hay bin.